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Conversation With Nisargadatta Maharaj

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I’m still reading through the I AM THAT book by Maharaj. It’s been very cool. He has already popped in and helped me about 3 or 4 times since I started reading the book. I had some questions I wanted to run by him. And I started writing them down and then he just appeared and had this back and forth with me. I was mainly wanting to know more about being desirelessness.

Me: I am slipping in and out if the I AM. I can hold it temporarily and then I find myself out if it.

In the I AM I am desireless because I am all and already have all.

But how do I live in this world being, but then say a desire for a certain food or experience presents itself and I am pulled out of the I AM.

A part of me now desires to leave the apartment, to be in nature. Do I ignore this desire and go into a state of desirelessness and instead do nothing but be in the I AM state on my couch?

I feel like I could stay in the I AM state much longer, but in such a state I do not have interest in participating in much, because that would be desiring it or attaching to it.

My cat runs out of food. It then becomes a desire to drive to the store, buy food, and feed my cat.

How does this fit in?

Do you then ignore the desire for food when the body is hungry? Being desiressless?

Maharaj: I AM is all. You are the cat and you are both the magnet and that which is magnetized to other magnets. In the example of the cat you become the channel in which you as the cat receives from yourself. In that instance you do take on the role of delivery driver. In other instances other aspects of yourself are the delivery driver to you.

Me: My inner child desires to play, some part of me desires connection with others and does not which to be solo any longer. The desire for friendships and to come together in groups.

Maharaj: And how is that going? Is your inner child playing right now? Have friends appeared and a group started?

Me: No, but the inner child has been playing more and a group is coming to be.

Maharaj: So you are thinking about your inner child playing and you are thinking about desiring something which you perceive is not there now. Is this working?

Me: No

So if I desire a panera bread bowl for lunch, or a cigarette, or something else. And I drive to get the bread bowl or cigarette and experience it. How does this fit into the I AM state.

Maharaj: It is you taking actions to satiate desires.

Me: Is not desire, the food, the tobacco, and my cat all not apart if the I AM. Does the I AM not also contain the ego because it contains and is everything.

Maharaj: If you strip away all desires, memory, ego, thought, and imagination what are you?

Me: I am

Maharaj: Then is desire not a mental construct, an imagination? Does it truly exist? Are these not illusions pretending to be real?

Me: Are there not desires that come from the soul, as in a desire to share space with another being? To connect with other aspects of the one, other parts of myself?

Do I not build a home because I have a desire to have a roof over my head?

Maharaj: You are attempting to understand the I AM state from the mental. It cannot be understood mentally. It is known and felt. In the knowing and feeling I AM, then you know what to do in your moments of beingness as God. And in those moments of beingness you build a house.

Maharaj: Instead of desiring to feed the cat and acquiring food for the cat. You simply acquire food and feed your cat. It is passive, if can be automatic without your need to assign a desire to it.

Maharaj: In the instance of desiring to be in nature. How do you know this desire is not an illusion and it is really a calling in the now being magnetized to be the experience and the experiencer in the I AM state. You have chosen to assign desire to it, and turned an inner being moment into a mental desire.

Maharaj: So now you have sat on the couch lost in mental constructs instead of being in the I AM.

Still sitting with this conversation and I am still having many realizations and shifts that continue to come from it.

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